by Andre X, Sat May 31, 2008 at 03:25:57 PM EST
Tags: Bill Clinton (all tags)
I saw that.
So maybe he actually is sane and coherent these days, in private.
maybe. we shall see.
don't pay any attention to him.
anyon who cheats on this wife numerous times is surely a sexist or just an asshole
that is an illogical and irresponsible statement.
Do you know what sexism means ?.
Will you vote for the democratic nominee? I have several Hillary Clinton supporters who say they prefer Hillary but will most definitely vote for Obama because he is a democrat and too much is at stake. Are you in that camp? I guess when I'm on Mydd I get this feeling that maybe there are a huge number of HRC supporters that would turn out and vote McCain.
I'm just asking.
No, Lori's cool. We disagree, but she's sane and not a bad person.
She's made noises about not voting for McCain, if I remember correctly.
See below.
Clearly, not as cool as you think.
Will I vote for Obama , you mean ?
- I have not made any committment to vote for Clinton , Obama or Mccain.
Even if Clinton is the nominee , I would prefer to see how the general election plays out.
The premise of your question seems to come from a place I am not in at all . i.e. I am so upset at Obama for some reason.
Quite the contrary I have a favorable opinion of Obama , its not his fault he ran a smarter campaign and I am not going to hold that against him.
That said I hold an even more favorable opinion of both Clinton and Mccain.
The issues I have with Obama is ideological , I hold moderate/conservative views and I have deep and great respect for military service , hence I prefer moderates/conservatives and Obama is a liberal especially in terms of foreign policy.
That said odds are I would vote for the democrat. However if Obama keeps sticking his foot in his mouth on foreign policy it would be a problem.
This is what I have suspected from most Hillary supporters and I think that there are many right now that are disappointed but that cooler heads will prevail. I honestly believe that those that are telling pollsters that they won't vote for Obama are upset right now and rightfully so but I think that most of them are like you and will see how the general election plays out and will vote based on principle and not out of spite.
you don't seem to understand what I wrote .
Infact you seem to have took out of what I wrote exactly the point I rejected .
No doubt there would be some Clinton supporters upset and hence are reluctant to vote for him , believe me there are much more that have fundamental issues with his candidacy and the republicans couldn't have put up anyone better than Mccain to try and tap into that.
I bet you if you check a reliable poll state by state most of her supporters that defect her moderate/conservative democrats.
A large number of these defections are not out of spite or anger , remarkably they are about fundamental issue with his candidacy.
For example my response to you was about the ideological issues I had with Obama .
So those who think its just voters that are pissed off that clinton didn't win and hence they would come back , might be overlooking something out there that could be dangerous.
I believ those that make that argument are looking at the defections too trivially.
I understand that but John McCain is really not MODERATE, he is very very conservative. His voting record shows that. If you are a moderate/conservative democrat do you want an extreme republican? This is a man that said he doesn't know if condoms prevents AIDS and would like to see some research regarding that.
John McCain is NOT moderate and that's why I think that the general election campaign is very important for people to see that John McCain doesn't even represent moderate republicans and democrats. The media has propped him up as a maverick because he has spoken up against a couple of things here and there but when you go back and look at his record, he is worse than Bush in many ways. Yes, he was in the military but he has a very very conservative record.
Also, I'm not completely convinced about most of those defections being about Ideology because Obama is still winning Independents. Obama also had high favorability ratings and was doing quite well among HRC supporters as little as few weeks ago. I think a majority of those supporters are angry and disappointed right now and I understand as I have been there.
I usually don't like to cite polls because they are meaningless at this point but one thing I noticed and I have noticed as well in a few weeks after a primary is that Obama's numbers go up. PA is a good example as polls now show him leading among women by double digits but tied among men. I use PA as opposed to California which is staying blue because of the so-called Reagan dems in PA.
I do understand your ideological concerns with Obama and beleive that there are folks like you that don't like his ideology but I think that there are far more right not that are angry over the fact that Hillary is not winning.
I'm confident that the majority of dems will unite.
fair enough , you could be right.
everyone has the right to choose who to vote for but i have really made mine based on the day to day campaign tactics.
my vote is based on who I think best represents my values ( Issues and ideology positions play an important role ).
I know the dem party is a big tent and all folks I welcomed but I really prefer moderate/conservative democrats infact in most cases I can't stand liberal democrats lol well some of them.
rarely not really.
I'm honestly an independent and can't stand the hippies who cry over saving the bears. I'm anti-war because I've seen the effects it has had on my community. I honestly consider myself an independent leaning lefty who is pragmatic and believes in the middle class not getting screwed.
I vote accordingly.
Are Bill Clinton's actions not sexist?
does he think she is a lesser human being based on her gender ?
His actions just makes him a cheater , which does make him an asshole not a sexist.
However he was a fine president.
Sexists tend also to be cheaters
I don't think cheating makes you sexist. Is a woman who cheats on her husband sexist?
I would, however, be comfortable calling the guy an asshole. And yes, I think even Bill Clinton is sort of an asshole.
But I don't really care about that. I'd rather have a competent, intelligent asshole in the White House than a stupid evil vindictive prick. But maybe that's just me.
i'd just be comfortable calling him what everyone else in this world is: "flawed." over 50% of men cheat on their wifes at one point in their lives in a few surveys. This by no means makes it right. But it isn't some horrible thing like invading a country for oil, ya know.
I could have sworn we went there as liberators. Something about flowers and candy...
That talking point is no longer operative.
Bill Clinton wants to seat half the delegates BASED ON THE VOTES in a noncontested election.
he's not doing this out of kindness, but to use the seating based on the noncontested election as a sign that, altho they broke the rules by moving the date, it was a fair election. this allows the Clinton's to claim the popular votes from those uncontested elections, and thus claim to be ahead in popular votes (after they throw out the millions of voters who live in caucus states).
i will bet money this is not a compromise, it is another attempt to validate a totally uncontested election, and count the votes.
Yes, Bill Clinton wanted to seat half the delegates, but that was before they needed to seat all the delegates in order to have a chance at winning. Its a matter of principle--the principle that Hillary deserves to win the nomination no matter what.
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