Donna Brazile lays down the law!

To my longstanding friends in the feminist community who have called out the media as being culturally sexist and misogynistic, it is time to help educate the American public about the corrosive impact of sexism in politics and elsewhere. But we can have this dialogue without using divisive language and political tactics that further threaten to divide our country and party. If another woman comes up to me in an airport and suggests Obama should wait his turn, I might scream, "Stop it!" This is not about who should be first, it's about who has the most delegates and who might make the best president of the United States.

The most tragic thing I have heard is this need to link the Obama camp to pundits inside the media who have used the "math" historically used to call an election with attempts to push Hillary out of the race. After all, when the senator held a lead in every national poll in 2007, the media described her groundbreaking campaign as being inevitable. No one called that sexist.

Obama will have earned the right to become the declared Democratic nominee once he has reached the 2,026 delegates he needs. If the party decides to amend the just and known penalty it swore to impose on states and those officials that put its voters in jeopardy of not having a voice at the convention by violating the rules, the adjusted number should not alter
the race. Instead, the amendment should allow the presumptive nominee to help bring the party together.

http://www.donnabrazile.com/viewNews.cfm ?id=277



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Re: Donna Brazile lays down the law! (none / 0)

Why didn't you post the entire thing?


by JustJennifer on Fri May 30, 2008 at 09:07:18 PM EST

Re: Donna Brazile lays down the law! (2.00 / 2)

Violation of copyright law maybe?


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 30, 2008 at 09:11:39 PM EST
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Re: Donna Brazile lays down the law! (2.00 / 2)

exactly


If I had to make a prediction right now, I'd say Barack Obama is going to be the next president.
by Andre X on Fri May 30, 2008 at 09:39:20 PM EST
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Re: Donna Brazile lays down the law! (2.00 / 1)

Whoa! Pretty strong words going into Saturday's RBC meeting.  Hmmmm.


by haystax calhoun on Fri May 30, 2008 at 09:09:42 PM EST

Re: Donna Brazile lays down the law! (none / 0)

she is setting the stage


If I had to make a prediction right now, I'd say Barack Obama is going to be the next president.
by Andre X on Fri May 30, 2008 at 09:39:39 PM EST
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Re: Donna Brazile lays down the law! (2.00 / 2)

This bears repeating:
"Obama will have earned the right to become the declared Democratic nominee once he has reached the 2,026 delegates he needs. If the party decides to amend the just and known penalty it swore to impose on states and those officials that put its voters in jeopardy of not having a voice at the convention by violating the rules, the adjusted number should not alter the race."
by haystax calhoun on Fri May 30, 2008 at 09:11:40 PM EST

Re: Donna Brazile lays down the law! (none / 0)

So we count Michigan and Florida (or parts of them) but their votes are only a formality.  Seems tantamount to not counting them at all.

Meanwhile, McCain is intending to seat Michigan and Florida 100% at the convention.  

Hmmm... what party has the better message?

Someone better tip Obama quickly to start spending profilgately in Ohio because that looks like the only place he can reasonable recoup all of the electoral votes the party is donating to the GOP.  


2004 swing state margins: PA-2%, OH-2%, IA-1%, WI-0.5%, MI-3%, FL-5%, NM-1%; Alienating 50% of the party is a luxury we can't afford.
by BPK80 on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:35:36 PM EST
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Re: Donna Brazile lays down the law! (none / 0)

The GOP counted Michigan and Florida for half at the time of their primaries.  If the GOP seats the full delegations at the convention it will be tantamount to not counting the extra half delegations at all, since the outcome of their race is already determined.

The same was supposed to happen for Democrats--Michigan and Florida persona non grata in terms of candidate determination, followed by magnanimous gestures at the convention to seat the delegations in full (after the determinitave power of that arrangement was nullified--same as the GOP).

At least pay attention enough to the facts to fully comprehend and accurately describe them--

--or continue to espouse unfounded McCain concerns.

Your choice.


"The only way I can lose this election is if I'm caught in bed with either a dead girl or a live boy."
by AK Democrat on Sat May 31, 2008 at 02:27:54 AM EST
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Re: Donna Brazile lays down the law! (2.00 / 5)

Good old Donna. Didn't fight to count the votes in 2000, and fighting hard to not count votes in 2008.


by LakersFan on Fri May 30, 2008 at 09:14:59 PM EST

Re: Donna Brazile lays down the law! (none / 0)

Donna is a Brazile nut.


Wisdom Is The Reward For Listening Over A Lifetime
by gunner on Fri May 30, 2008 at 09:47:21 PM EST
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Re: Donna Brazile lays down the law! (none / 0)

trollish comment


If I had to make a prediction right now, I'd say Barack Obama is going to be the next president.
by Andre X on Sat May 31, 2008 at 07:51:42 AM EST
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Dawn on Wednesday. (2.00 / 1)

Works for me. Watch out John McCain. We're coming for you.


John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.
by Travis Stark on Fri May 30, 2008 at 09:26:57 PM EST

Re: Dawn on Wednesday. (none / 0)

Yes, just as soon as we finish telling roughly 10% of the Democratic voters (FL and MI) that they don't matter.

We just love providing a wounded adversary a head start.  


Hell's bells, even the GOP didn't have to crucify Eisenhower's record in order to make Reagan their 'saint'. We can have two great ones, you know?
by emsprater on Fri May 30, 2008 at 09:50:52 PM EST
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Re: Dawn on Wednesday. (none / 0)

Where are you getting this from?

Nobody is telling FL and MI they don't matter!

This commentary is mindboggling!  And it's flat WRONG!

English is a language consisting of 26 letters, arranged in groups to form words.  Those words are then combined to articulate ideas.

Usually.


"The only way I can lose this election is if I'm caught in bed with either a dead girl or a live boy."
by AK Democrat on Sat May 31, 2008 at 02:30:12 AM EST
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Re: Donna Brazile lays down the law! (2.00 / 2)

I didn't like Donna Brazile in 2000 either.  She let the freaking media frame Gore to be a pathological liar and a total dud.  Too bad she didn't have some of the cojones she seems to be trying to show now then and maybe we wouldn't be in this mess.


by JustJennifer on Fri May 30, 2008 at 09:27:03 PM EST

in other words: (none / 0)

she is a LOSER! She LOST Al Gore 2000. I don't get why she is given so much reverence these days. I think her having a spot on TV is just more of TV trying to have AA's talk during this campaign to avoid being called racist. Bullshit she's "undecided."


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Fri May 30, 2008 at 09:30:06 PM EST
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Your hood is showing. (2.00 / 5)

Implying DB is on TV to serve as an amulet against accusations of racism = calling her a token black = denying every aspect of her person besides her skin color.

If this was an accident, try to avoid it in the future.


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Fri May 30, 2008 at 09:32:35 PM EST
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Re: in other words: (none / 0)

Now to be fair, quite a few people can be called out for the Gore fiasco.  But she certainly played her part in it.  


by JustJennifer on Fri May 30, 2008 at 09:46:53 PM EST
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Re: in other words: (none / 0)

Al Gore lost Al Gore the race, nobody else. Sorry.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Fri May 30, 2008 at 09:46:56 PM EST
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Re: in other words: (2.00 / 2)

That is total BS.  His campaign staff didn't help.  And let's not forget what the Republicans did.  Sorry to be crass but it was a cluster fuck of epic proportions.


by JustJennifer on Fri May 30, 2008 at 09:49:11 PM EST
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Re: in other words: (none / 0)

True, but if he'd have campaigned a little harder, it would all have been a moot point, IMHO.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:02:27 PM EST
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Re: in other words: (none / 0)

If he fought back against the bullshit - or had been directed to do so by his campaign staff...


by JustJennifer on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:22:52 PM EST
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Re: in other words: (none / 0)

Well, c'mon. If you're in charge, you're ultimately responsible. Mark Penn and the Merry Marauders of yes-men sunk Clinton's campaign, but she was in charge- so it's her fault, really. It's how they taught us in the Navy. You're in charge, it's your fault, period.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:37:50 PM EST
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Re: in other words: (none / 0)

Yeah I agree - Gore should have grown a pair.  He up against some pretty evil shit though..

Good article about it here:

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/featu res/2007/10/gore200710


by JustJennifer on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:58:30 PM EST
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you trust Sally Bedell Smith? (none / 0)

even tho Media Matters found her book to be complete bullshit? I'm sorry, this blame Clinton stuff and the buck has to stop somewhere.


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Sat May 31, 2008 at 01:57:25 AM EST
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Re: you trust Sally Bedell Smith? (none / 0)

Is your question for me?  I linked to an article in Vanity Fair.. the author was not Sally Bedell Smith.


by JustJennifer on Sat May 31, 2008 at 02:20:48 AM EST
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sorry, but (none / 0)

in that same issue, part of her book, or some bs article she wrote was highly prominent in that issue. ragekage quoted the lady, but I called him out on it.


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Sat May 31, 2008 at 02:24:09 AM EST
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Re: you trust Sally Bedell Smith? (none / 0)

i mean not ragekage, someone a few posts down


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Sat May 31, 2008 at 02:24:47 AM EST
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It was me, and I'm a "she." /eom (none / 0)


by Liberal Monk on Sat May 31, 2008 at 01:31:14 PM EST
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Re: in other words: (none / 0)

If he had let Bill Clinton campaign for him it would have been a moot point. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if it was Donna's bad idea to keep Clinton out of the campaign.


by LakersFan on Sat May 31, 2008 at 03:16:43 AM EST
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Here's an interesting take on why Gore lost... (1.00 / 0)

"Promised real power as Bill Clinton's vice president, Al Gore found he had a rival for that role: the First Lady. And when Hillary decided to run for the Senate, a tense competition got ugly. In an excerpt from her new book about the Clinton White House years, the author reveals how conflicting agendas--the triangle of a scandal-ridden lame-duck president, the wife he'd betrayed, and his designated successor--sapped Gore's 2000 campaign as the bond between two couples dissolved into distrust, anger, and resentment."

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/featu res/2007/11/clinton200711


by Liberal Monk on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:08:02 PM EST
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wow.... (2.00 / 2)

now if we can just blame global warming onto the clinton's shoulders all is complete!


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Sat May 31, 2008 at 12:09:44 AM EST
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Geez, if it is their fault, don't tell, Al.... (2.00 / 1)

He'll feel betrayed all over again.


by Liberal Monk on Sat May 31, 2008 at 01:45:04 AM EST
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Re: Here's an interesting take on why Gore lost... (none / 0)

the same loser who wrote the book about the Clintons, which was riddled with bullshit has no meaning, or should not have any meaning to anyone.


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Sat May 31, 2008 at 01:56:38 AM EST
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The article is an excerpt from that book... (none / 0)

I am sure the book is not 100 percent accurate -- not much is when it comes to politics -- nor are the comments blaming Donna Brazile for the loss 100 percent accurate.

My point was that there is no one reason Al Gore lost. There was a perfect storm of events and conditions that contributed to it, and I think that President Clinton's impeachment and then the fundraising that both Clintons did for her Senate campaign rather than for Gore's presidential campaign were contributing factors.

I don't think their actions alone caused him to lose, but I do think they contributed. There's plenty of blame to go 'round.

Also, can you explain to me why you gave me two "1's"? I'm asking in all honesty because I lost my rec/rate ability a while back (it's been restored since) and all I had done at that point was rate comments. I tried to follow the guidelines, but I must have misused the "1" rating.

Thanks!


by Liberal Monk on Sat May 31, 2008 at 01:14:35 PM EST
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Re: Here's an interesting take on why Gore lost... (2.00 / 1)

Yeah that blaming the Clintons for everything is bullshit.  Gore lost because the media fell in love with Bush and portrayed him as a lame brain.  Oh, and yeah the election was actually stolen from him by the Republicans.


by JustJennifer on Sat May 31, 2008 at 02:23:32 AM EST
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Gore lost for a number of reasons. /eom (none / 0)


by Liberal Monk on Sat May 31, 2008 at 01:15:16 PM EST
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Wait a minute...you linked to the same article (none / 0)

in the thread above this one, and in that comment, you said:

"Yeah I agree - Gore should have grown a pair.  He up against some pretty evil shit though..

Good article about it here:

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/featu res/2007/10/gore200710 "

Did you not realize we were talking about the same article when you replied to me?


by Liberal Monk on Sat May 31, 2008 at 09:52:30 PM EST
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Re: in other words: (none / 0)

She never said she was undecided--EVER.

She's undeclared.  It is more than clear who she has decided for, Token Man.


"The only way I can lose this election is if I'm caught in bed with either a dead girl or a live boy."
by AK Democrat on Sat May 31, 2008 at 02:31:21 AM EST
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Re: Donna Brazile lays down the law! (2.00 / 1)

Instead, the amendment should allow the presumptive nominee to help bring the party together

change nominee to president and party to country and I think this is what she told Gore in 2000.

sorry, but I have a love/hate relationship with Donna.  On one hand, I admire her and her accomplishments, but on the other hand, her handling of the Gore campaign in 2000 made me sick.


by colebiancardi on Fri May 30, 2008 at 09:40:06 PM EST

Re: Donna Brazile lays down the law! (2.00 / 2)

Everything about 2000 made me sick.. still does.  


by JustJennifer on Fri May 30, 2008 at 09:47:38 PM EST
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Re: Donna Brazile lays down the law! (none / 0)

did you watch "Recount" on HBO?  I got mad all over again.

grrrrrrr.....


by colebiancardi on Fri May 30, 2008 at 09:49:49 PM EST
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Re: Donna Brazile lays down the law! (2.00 / 1)

No I have HBO but I can't bring myself to watch it.

True story.. my now ex-husband and I literally came to blows over what happened in 2000.  He is a Republican and I am a life long Democrat.  True we had other problems in our marriage but we divorced in 2001... and our fights over the 2000 election was the straw the broke the camel's back.  Not kidding.


by JustJennifer on Fri May 30, 2008 at 09:52:09 PM EST
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Re: Donna Brazile lays down the law! (none / 0)

I was fortunately divorced by 2000.  My ex was also a republican who voted for Bush I.  We nearly came to blows over that election because he thought BC was the a pinko commie.  

However, when he saw the Veep debate with Gore in 1992, he stated that if Gore ever decided to run for prez, he would vote for him.  I wonder if he ever did...


by colebiancardi on Fri May 30, 2008 at 09:58:14 PM EST
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Re: Donna Brazile lays down the law! (2.00 / 1)

My ex ended up hating Bush and voted for Kerry in 2004.  LOL  Funny..  He actually jokes about our fights in 2000 now like it was hilarious.  We have 3 children together so I have to bite my tongue.  Of course this year he is back to his old Republican ways.  Why did I ever think it would be ok to marry a Republican?


by JustJennifer on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:00:16 PM EST
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Re: Donna Brazile lays down the law! (none / 0)

Agreed--we WON in 2000!

I just saw Recount and, five minutes into the movie, was furious all over again.

What a travesty...


"The only way I can lose this election is if I'm caught in bed with either a dead girl or a live boy."
by AK Democrat on Sat May 31, 2008 at 02:32:48 AM EST
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sorry no. (2.00 / 4)

diarist if you want to hold sway with HRC supporters, its probably not a good idea to be quoting this particular superdelegate as she has proven anything but balanced in her role as a political pundit.

and psst - ive got a message for you donna, the reason people tie the media to BO's campaign is because they are parroting BO campaign spin as if it were fact - especially you!


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Fri May 30, 2008 at 09:50:56 PM EST

Re: sorry no. (2.00 / 2)

Honestly, if you want to compare which group of supporters are more likely to parrot their candidate's talking points, you're not going to like what you find.  

Btw, what exactly are the Obama campaign's talking points that we are supposedly parroting?  I'd like to know.  If you go on over to DKos, what you'll actually see is more posters writing diaries in which they suggest their own talking points that Obama should adopt.  Apparently being a blogger makes you a de facto campaign manager.  


by ProfessorReo on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:08:01 PM EST
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Re: sorry no. (2.00 / 1)

The most tragic thing I have heard is this need to link the Obama camp to pundits inside the media"

ah - so now the media are BO supporters?  its all coming together...


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:19:11 PM EST
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Re: sorry no. (none / 0)

Sorry, misread your comment.  I must have gotten some other post I read with yours.  

As for the point about the media parroting the Obama campaign talking points, Keith Olbermann cited a study on his show today which showed that Hillary Clinton was referred to in a positive way 72% of the time over a period of time during the course of the campaign.  That was the highest percentage among various networks.  


by ProfessorReo on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:29:12 PM EST
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Re: sorry no. (none / 0)

this was diaried yesterday - a few problems with this study...

1.  it did not include any opinion journalists (op-eds, pundits, etc)

2. it goes against what pretty well what every other study on this topic is saying

3.  any fair person who consumes media knows this is not true

and the msnbc number is the funniest part of the survey - especially when KO is quoting it.


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:34:28 PM EST
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Re: sorry no. (none / 0)

Well, I basically only watch MSNBC for coverage on the elections and I do see support for that number.  One of the least recognized strength of Hillary's campaign has been her ability to make herself newsworthy even after she had lost any realistic chance of winning the election.  

She's also been extremely skilled in using the media to legitimize her plethora of different metrics.  When the pundits debated and continue to debate Hillary's popular vote metric, regardless of what a particular pundit may think about it, just treating it as a serious subject of discussion gives it legitimacy.  And look at the way the MSM took off with Hillary's meme that "white, hard working white working class" voters won't vote for Obama.  With one sentence, she framed this issue in a way hurtful for Obama, and the media, including MSNBC, treated it as if it was a statement of fact rather than Hillary's self-serving, selective interpretation of the facts.  

In short, without the MSM "parroting" Hillary's talking points, her campaign would have ended a long time ago.  She has brilliantly massaged the campaign to make it worthy of coverage.  I mean, MSNBC is forcing its anchors to work on Sunday to cover a meaningless election in Puerto Rico!  That's quite an accomplishment.
 


by ProfessorReo on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:44:54 PM EST
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Re: sorry no. (none / 0)

your comment suggests that you dont partake in much media consumption.  check out some of diaries on the subject.  in fact, there is a book being written about this bias against HRC by a pulitzer prize winner.

http://mediamatters.org/columns/20080430 0001


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:58:45 PM EST
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Re: sorry no. (2.00 / 1)

Why?  Because I don't believe this spin about the press being unfairly hostile to Hillary Clinton?  I point to a study, you point to an opinion piece.    

In any event, I read that link and I very much disagree with it's analysis.  The problem with it is that he fails to acknowledge the transformation of the news media that has occurred since those primaries he talks about.  Additionally, he also fails to distinguish between different kinds of journalists - between pundits and straight news anchors.  He points to pundits who called for Hillary to get out.  But, that's what pundits do, they express their opinions.  I see absolutely no problem with pundits expressing what he or she believes a candidate ought to do.  

Your pulitzer prize winner also fails to explain or acknowledge why these pundits called for Clinton to get out.  It wasn't just that she had no chance, it was because she was staying in the race with little chance of winning and engaging in destructive negative campaigning in the process.  Hillary has been running nearly a purely negative campaign since the weeks leading up to Texas/OH.    Those pundits calling for her exit were saying that as a way to criticize her negative campaigning.  If she had been running a truly positive campaign, I doubt you would have heard the calls to get out.  In fact, if she had taken the high road, she probably would have strengthened her case to become Obama's Vice President.

But, still, the worst part of his analysis is his failure to put the 2008 election into proper historical context.  Back in 1980, or even in 1984, you didn't have the wall to wall coverage on multiple media outlets like you do now.  Back in 1980, a sports writer like Mike Lupica wouldn't be writing an op-ed about the presidential elections.  There were no internet news magazine like Slate, either.  The current media obsession on reporting and analyzing elections as a horse race is part of the blurring of the line between entertainment and media, a blurring that has occurred as control over media outlets and content have been decentralized.

If we could point to one campaign when the media started to transform into the monstrosity it has become today, I think many would point to Bill Clinton's 1992 campaign.  It was Bill Clinton who creatively used nontraditional media outlets as campaign opportunities.  Remember when Bill played his sax on the Arsenio Hall Show with those dark shades on?  That's considered one of the key moments in Bill's ultimately successful campaign.  What was so novel about this moment was not that it occurred on a non-political t.v. talk show.  But, this important moment was completely non-substantive.  It was all about style, symbolism, and appearance.  It was the beginning of the dumbing down of presidential elections that began in 1988 with Bush's awful race-baiting, sound-bite campaign, but Bill's campaign exploited the new media with a lot of creativity.

So, to say that Hillary has somehow been a victim of a biased media is far fetched.  She and Bill are still the masters of spinning and framing, as I argued in my earlier post.  I'd argue that it's been her media savvy skills that has kept her poorly organized, poorly run campaign afloat for longer than it had any business being afloat.

The reason why she lost has nothing to do with media bias.  There are 3 main reasons that she lost: (1) - she made a fundamental error running as an establishment candidate when the country wanted a change candidate - she just completely misread the mood of the electorate.  By the time she had remade herself into a populist candidate, it was too late; (2) Her vote on the Iraq War, a mistake further compounded by her stubborn refusal to admit that it was a mistake, like Edwards did; and (3) probably the most important reason - Obama was just a better candidate with a more appealing and consistent message and a superior, well organized campaign.  


by ProfessorReo on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:38:36 PM EST
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Re: sorry no. (none / 0)

A caveat to what I wrote.  I actually do agree that sexism, just like racism, has been an aspect of the campaign.  Weren't you the one who put up that link showing the various clips of sexism in the media?  I don't think that could have been avoided, though, with the first serious black and female presidential candidates running in the same race.  Race and gender were going to be issues and they have and still are issues.  They will continue to be issues during the general election.  I'm just hard pressed to conclude that gender bias was a crucial reason or one of the most important reasons that Hillary Clinton lost the race.  


by ProfessorReo on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:44:34 PM EST
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Re: sorry no. (2.00 / 1)

i never stated that she lost...  

but if she does there are plenty of reasons that she did, and one major one - is the press coverage.  that being said - i really do not want to engage in a longer debate on this - there are SEVERAL studies that say the opposite of the one you cited.  but if i were to give some friendly advice, not every enemy of your rival is your friend - and denying media bias just works against what should be your ultimate goal right now - unity.  my 2 cents.


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Sat May 31, 2008 at 12:07:55 AM EST
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Re: sorry no. (none / 0)

Canadian gal, did you read the reply to my lengthy post where I acknowledge the existence of media bias?  


by ProfessorReo on Sat May 31, 2008 at 12:11:07 AM EST
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Re: sorry no. (none / 0)

yes i read it.  and unless i misread it - you deny it.  this is not about why she is losing rather what happened...  and while the MSM and even HRC's campaign are just getting wind of this now MANY people, including myself have been steamed and talking about it for months now.  


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Sat May 31, 2008 at 12:17:56 AM EST
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Re: sorry no. (none / 0)

Huh, I thought I pretty clearly said that gender bias was an issue during the campaign, along with racial bias.  I'm at a loss how you could misinterpret what I wrote.  

As for your call to unity, I'm all for it, but it's hard to do that when I feel compelled to respond to fellow democrats gleefully smearing the soon to be democratic nominee with another racist guilt by association attack.


by ProfessorReo on Sat May 31, 2008 at 12:27:00 AM EST
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Re: sorry no. (none / 0)

sorry - which racist guilt by association attack are you speaking of?  in this diary?


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Sat May 31, 2008 at 12:34:31 AM EST
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Re: sorry no. (none / 0)

It's no good, Reo.

She'll disagree with you even when you agree with her.

Funny, that.


"The only way I can lose this election is if I'm caught in bed with either a dead girl or a live boy."
by AK Democrat on Sat May 31, 2008 at 02:35:41 AM EST
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Re: sorry no. (none / 0)

Dear canadian gal, I disagree with your list of 'problems' with poblano's study: 1. it did not include any opinion journalists (op-eds, pundits, etc) Poblano never pretended to measure attacks from the media. He measures attacks from the campaigns. 2. it goes against what pretty well what every other study on this topic is saying I do not know of any other study. As far as I know Poblano's is the only extant attempt at an objective approach to this question. 3. any fair person who consumes media knows this is not true What do you mean by fair person? Someone who shares your subjective impressions? Poblano's results agree with and in fact amplify my subjective impressions.
by french imp on Sat May 31, 2008 at 02:16:25 AM EST
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Re: sorry no. (none / 0)

im not sure we are talking about the same study.


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Sat May 31, 2008 at 02:20:34 AM EST
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Re: sorry no. (2.00 / 1)

Yes, you're right. Sorry, I mixed up things. I was talking about Poblano's which in my opinion is very interesting reading (at least). Apparently you're talking about a study made by the media, and I can easily believe you that it is crap.
by french imp on Sat May 31, 2008 at 07:08:57 AM EST
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Olbermann had to make this up to counter (none / 0)

his daily rants against Clinton - the guy is full of himself -he's not even worth these few words!


by suzieg on Sat May 31, 2008 at 01:41:01 AM EST
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Re: Donna Brazile lays down the law! (2.00 / 1)

Thanks for posting.  I'm not familiar with Ms. Brazille but it sounds like she's logical, rational and sensible, three things that don't usually fly around here!  I'll follow the link and read further....


"It's time to pass the baton to the next generation." Ken Jacobson, WA state senator.
by tibbs on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:11:06 PM EST

Re: Donna Brazile lays down the law! (2.00 / 1)

You don't have knowledge of Brazille and yet you have the audacity to rip this site...


by Liberty on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:31:18 PM EST
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Re: Donna Brazile lays down the law! (none / 0)

How can anyone not know who Donna Brazile is?  Even if you only started paying attention 2 weeks ago this is something you should know.  Any of us who were paying attention in 2000 certainly know all about her.


by JustJennifer on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:54:13 PM EST
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Obama is a flawed candidate (2.00 / 1)

Witness the thousands of protesters scheduled to show up tomorrow in D.C.  For Donna Brazile to suggest that Clinton Democrats should stand down only proves what we've known all along:  She may be "undeclared, but she's not undecided."  And I guess we know who she's decided on.


by izarradar on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:14:15 PM EST

Re: Obama is a flawed candidate (none / 0)

Obama and his folks asked all their supporters not to do anything tomorrow.

Clinton, on the other hand, hopes to have folks from 26 states on hand to protest their own party.

Forgive me, but tell me again how this is a winning strategy?  Putting the barrel to your own temple and screaming, "Stop, or I'll shoot?" while your worst enemy (the GOP) is watching from across the room, hand over mouth so as not to laugh out loud?


"The only way I can lose this election is if I'm caught in bed with either a dead girl or a live boy."
by AK Democrat on Sat May 31, 2008 at 02:39:05 AM EST
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Your analogy (none / 0)

is simplistic.  The real world is much more layered, and much more complex than you would present.  Democracies are sometimes messy affairs because they allow for representation of ALL voices, not just the privileged.  Or at least that's supposed to be the way democracies work.  


by izarradar on Sat May 31, 2008 at 02:31:23 PM EST
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Re: Donna Brazile lays down the law! (none / 0)

You know it's funny...all these calls for the women who are planning to demonstrate tomorrow at the hearing to step down - well isn't that just a little reminiscent of how the white people just wished all those black folks would just settle down and stop being so upset during the 60's?


by JustJennifer on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:52:58 PM EST

Re: Donna Brazile lays down the law! (2.00 / 3)

Yes, yes, we remember. It's like Zimbabwe and Selma and Schindler's List all rolled into one.


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:54:27 PM EST
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Re: Donna Brazile lays down the law! (none / 0)

Isn't it though?  

Well, maybe not Zimbabwe but I keep waiting for someone to say women belong in the home barefoot and pregnant.


by JustJennifer on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:04:16 PM EST
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Re: Donna Brazile lays down the law! (none / 0)

Seriously?


"The only way I can lose this election is if I'm caught in bed with either a dead girl or a live boy."
by AK Democrat on Sat May 31, 2008 at 02:40:33 AM EST
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Re: Donna Brazile lays down the law! (none / 0)

Donna Brazile is a known clown and one of reason why Gore lost in 2000


Welcome to a Landslide without white Working class, Latinos, Women, Seniors and holding-on sweeties
by engels on Sat May 31, 2008 at 12:40:57 AM EST

Re: Donna Brazile lays down the law! (none / 0)

I am happy the media likes Obama. The last two times the media backed a candidate, they won - George W. Bush. We are off to a great start this election cycle.


Obama 08!
by comingawakening on Sat May 31, 2008 at 01:01:20 AM EST

Re: Donna Brazile lays down the law! (2.00 / 1)

Like she's the real expert! Thanks to her, Gore lost the elections to Bush! She's obviously vying to do it again - she doesn't have clue....


by suzieg on Sat May 31, 2008 at 01:35:17 AM EST


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